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- Are you serious? Ice = absolute versatility
- Full immune
- Shuts down evade
- Can eat SP3 all day (ever fight Map 6 Hyperion?)
- MAIN aspect not discussed here: Deals damage over time to immune champs. NOONE is immune to coldsnap and frostbites. Simple example, Dorm. - Name one champ that bypasses evade from the start of the fight til the end. Add that to his triple immunities, the fact that frostbites aren't considered debuffs and his ability to take an l3 like it was a basic hit and tell me why he is overhyped.
Magneto can tank multiple l3's from Hyperion, unlike Iceman which requires the ice armor. Triple immunity does NOT matter unless you get hit or run suicides, Evade doesn't matter unless they are stun immune, Crossbones can stop evade right from the beginning with furies
Immunity is a big help when you encounter nodes that inflict poison or bleed, or caltrops paths. - edited September 2017I'm very curious, why do people consider him god tier? The hype needs to die.
Triple immunities: Doesnt matter if you don't get hit, with the exception of Abominations passive poison
Coldsnap can stop evade: SO can Archangel, and other defensive ability accuracy reduction champs
He can tank and L3: So can the Magnetos, does that make them god tier??
Can Archangel bypass evades when he enters the fight at 100% and during all game long ? No.
Triple immunities : you are saying don't get hit, obviously you never played AQ or AW, you know, it has nodes ?
He is also the champ that can deal the most damages to immune debuff nodes, but that's something you only see in AQ / AW, so you don't know - Why all the hate, you clearly state he can do 3 major utility things right at the start. You then point out how other champs can do one of these 3 things so iceman isn't that great. You realize iceman does all 3 of these things and does them better right? Lol this post is pure troll
- Why all the hate, you clearly state he can do 3 major utility things right at the start. You then point out how other champs can do one of these 3 things so iceman isn't that great. You realize iceman does all 3 of these things and does them better right? Lol this post is pure troll
It's a classic strategy of the uneducated during debates. Try and spin something based on one simple fact while ignoring everything as a whole. - Why all the hate, you clearly state he can do 3 major utility things right at the start. You then point out how other champs can do one of these 3 things so iceman isn't that great. You realize iceman does all 3 of these things and does them better right? Lol this post is pure troll
I don't hate iceman, and I never said he was a bad champ, I just don't get why people treat him like he's the second coming of Christ - Someone who can immediately bypass all evades when duped to start the fight is awesome (only bw can do this under normal starting conditions, no suicides on the champ you are fighting). Triple immunity is another bonus (stops invenerate on LOL agent venom or it should anyway. Only takes 5% health from L3s (way better than mags can).
Good damage output is all sl has and he's considered God tier. Wolvie is god tier just for his regen. Champs can be god tier for other attributes besides damage or regen. Any good player won't get hit much so throw that comment from the OP out the window. That would be saying sl isn't god tier because you ge thit and he loses his damage.
Iceman is a god tier champ in the hands of any good player - Iceman is a god tier champ in the hands of any good player
And in many ways like pre 12.0 SW, he is a god tier because he can help bad players get through rough opponents. - @R4GE I don't think he's that good to players who aren't skilled. SW made anyone good. I've never had a 4* SW though so I wouldn't know. I have 70 4* and have never gotten her
- Name one champ that bypasses evade from the start of the fight til the end. Add that to his triple immunities, the fact that frostbites aren't considered debuffs and his ability to take an l3 like it was a basic hit and tell me why he is overhyped.
Magneto can tank multiple l3's from Hyperion, unlike Iceman which requires the ice armor. Triple immunity does NOT matter unless you get hit or run suicides, Evade doesn't matter unless they are stun immune, Crossbones can stop evade right from the beginning with furies
U named a bunch of champs that together do what iceman alone can. - I'm very curious, why do people consider him god tier? The hype needs to die.
Triple immunities: Doesnt matter if you don't get hit, with the exception of Abominations passive poison
Coldsnap can stop evade: SO can Archangel, and other defensive ability accuracy reduction champs
He can tank and L3: So can the Magnetos, does that make them god tier??
running suicides with ArchAngel in AQ, he will die after a few matches without using Pots.
Iceman won't. ... and iceman can tank sp3's losing next to no health. and can handle evade.
AA doesn't need to fire off specials though. - @R4GE I don't think he's that good to players who aren't skilled. SW made anyone good. I've never had a 4* SW though so I wouldn't know. I have 70 4* and have never gotten her
It wasn't a comparison to the two champs being on the same level. Just more of a similarity to them both being able to get through certain champs with lack of skill. Example would be those who don't have the skill to drop spidey or NC in AW, but can easily get it done with Iceman - 0
- edited September 2017@Deadbyrd9 I should have chosen my wording better when making the comparison
- Go luck trying to reduce the cutoffs. I support you.
- Go luck trying to reduce the cutoffs. I support you.
hahahahahaha! I didn't even consider that. Kudos to the OP. We get your strategy now lol - Go luck trying to reduce the cutoffs. I support you.
hahahahahaha! I didn't even consider that. Kudos to the OP. We get your strategy now lol
We can only hope that is his strategy. - Go luck trying to reduce the cutoffs. I support you.
hahahahahaha! I didn't even consider that. Kudos to the OP. We get your strategy now lol
We can only hope that is his strategy.
LOL, its the only thing that makes sense of this thread - Go luck trying to reduce the cutoffs. I support you.
hahahahahaha! I didn't even consider that. Kudos to the OP. We get your strategy now lol
We can only hope that is his strategy.
LOL, its the only thing that makes sense of this thread
That could work, but I still see him going for a lot. He's just such a versatile champ. Crossbones (feature) and Psylocke (basic) this weekend should be interesting to see how high they go for too.
Could be a possibility for the OP, but was really just sarcasm on my end. I think he really doesn't understand the concept of IcemanGo luck trying to reduce the cutoffs. I support you.
hahahahahaha! I didn't even consider that. Kudos to the OP. We get your strategy now lol
We can only hope that is his strategy.
LOL, its the only thing that makes sense of this thread
That could work, but I still see him going for a lot. He's just such a versatile champ. Crossbones (feature) and Psylocke (basic) this weekend should be interesting to see how high they go for too.- Triple immunity is good when you get hit, or good for suicides. If you play perfectly you shouldn't get hit
U don't need to get hit to get poisoned. Passive poison like Abomination is one example.
Same goes for Archangel's ability to inflict poison while blocking. Unless your version of playing perfectly means not attacking into a blocking opponent at all. In that case, you are god tier, whether the champ is god tier ot not doesn't matter. - Triple immunity - check
Unavoidable damage that nobody is immune to - check
Ability to place Frostbites that aren't considered debuffs and do nice dmg (1k+ per stack at 5/50) - check
Ability to completely nullify evade - check
Decent damage - check
Ability to tank sp3's - check
Archangel is obviously a boss but as soon as your enemy is bleed or poison immune he loses that title....whereas Iceman doesn't
Comparing him to Magneto is also not viable. Yes, Magneto can tank sp3 the whole fight but so can Iceman as long as the enemy isn't getting sp3 every 11 seconds. Other than that one Magneto feature how can you really even compare the two, you've got to at least admit Iceman is better than Magneto... - Terrible champ. Bottom of the barrel.
Now please don't chase him in the arena in October. I don't want to have to put up 8 mil for him. Hahaha - Read the poll a couple of posts down rather than starting a new thread as it has your answers
I read that poll, and the Iceman hype needs to die, he is not the only champ that can counter evade, and he is not the only champ that can tank an l3....
His damage isn't good compared to other champs either
Agreed 100% @NormanBJJ but he is the only one who can do all three with 3 immunities and decent damage. dats why he is GOD-tier. - Iceman does have good damage output, when you can mix his frost bite and heavy attack together it makes fights go way quicker, so you can end that electro fight quickly, that abom fight quickly. Ofcourse someone like hyperion would do it faster, but that's hyperion. Iceman is like the 2nd best mutant champ, with AA pretty much being the best mutant. Rogue is amazing as well but iceman is just all around amazing and deserves his god tier title.
- Triple immunity - check
Unavoidable damage that nobody is immune to - check
Ability to place Frostbites that aren't considered debuffs and do nice dmg (1k+ per stack at 5/50) - check
Ability to completely nullify evade - check
Decent damage - check
Ability to tank sp3's - check
Archangel is obviously a boss but as soon as your enemy is bleed or poison immune he loses that title....whereas Iceman doesn't
Comparing him to Magneto is also not viable. Yes, Magneto can tank sp3 the whole fight but so can Iceman as long as the enemy isn't getting sp3 every 11 seconds. Other than that one Magneto feature how can you really even compare the two, you've got to at least admit Iceman is better than Magneto...
I never said Magneto was better than Iceman, im just saying the ability to tank l3s isnt very uncommon, and that others can do what he does - edited September 2017Triple immunity - check
Unavoidable damage that nobody is immune to - check
Ability to place Frostbites that aren't considered debuffs and do nice dmg (1k+ per stack at 5/50) - check
Ability to completely nullify evade - check
Decent damage - check
Ability to tank sp3's - check
Archangel is obviously a boss but as soon as your enemy is bleed or poison immune he loses that title....whereas Iceman doesn't
Comparing him to Magneto is also not viable. Yes, Magneto can tank sp3 the whole fight but so can Iceman as long as the enemy isn't getting sp3 every 11 seconds. Other than that one Magneto feature how can you really even compare the two, you've got to at least admit Iceman is better than Magneto...
I never said Magneto was better than Iceman, im just saying the ability to tank l3s isnt very uncommon, and that others can do what he does
Lol, seriously? Aside from Magneto Marvel Now, Magneto, Iceman and Gwenpool name me the other champs that can consistently take a third special.
That is 4 champs out of about 100. 4% is very uncommon! - Iceman is liked by players because he can he can be used for every single scenario
AA's damage output goes limp against either immune champs
But iceman whos frostbites dont feed willpower or masochism and NO champ in this game is immune to his abilities - Iceman is liked by players because he can he can be used for every single scenario
AA's damage output goes limp against either immune champs
But iceman whos frostbites dont feed willpower or masochism and NO champ in this game is immune to his abilities
I agree. I remember his release with the special event and how nasty his coldsnap was at the beginning of the master difficulty quest in chapter 3. AV shrugged it off faster but then he was still tough to beat. - Who tf uses magneto in their everyday mcoc life lol, I know there's people with him at 4/55 but like we know he can take specials, he's not an end game champ. Iceman is one of the best attackers in the game. War, he's got you. Any act and any quest, he's got you (besides spite lol, lose that icearmor). Aq, he's got you. I don't think I can think of a node where iceman can't put work in, besides spite. You can work around those 5.2 nodes with the buffs and debuffs, it's not that hard. Of course he can't solo a high sig magik depending on the mount of health and attack and stuff. But really he deserves his god tier title. He really doesn't have a weakness, unlike that beast AA where if the enemy is immune to either poison or bleed (or both), his full abilities won't show.
Why Do People Play So Many Attack Dmg Champions 2
Just lasthitting better, and not getting killed/zoned much.
Sorry, there is no other answer. Theoretically, there are 2 waves of minions per minute for the majority of the game (and for quite some time, every third will have a cannon, later every 2nd). Really good players get about 6 per wave (so they occasionally miss one, but not every wave). After 10 minutes, roughly 16 waves have appeared on each lane (10m - traveltime - 1,5m mapstart = 8m), which would give 96 cs with that accuracy level. Practical cs is usually a bit lower because everyone has a skirmish or was back in bsae or missed two in a row sometimes. 90 would still be a very good stat for most people.
On the other hand, if you only have 100 minions after 20-25 minutes, you are really behind the curve. Even if we again ignore the cannons, you have had about 20*6*2=240 minions on your lane, getting not even half of that can mean that either:
a) you autoattack too much instead of just lasthitting
b) you misjudge your damage vs. minion health very badly
c) you simply are not there the majority of the time when minions die
d) a combination of the above.
Most likely cause is d).
Some tricks that might help you:
- Under your own tower without many interfering allied minions, let the tower hit melees twice and then hit them, and with casters hit them once, then let the tower hit once, then kill them. That usually gives you the lasthit.
- After you gained a few levels, many champions have a strong area damage spell that can farm entire waves or at least the caster minions with one shot. If you do not spam your spells that often, you will have the mana to sometimes grab a big wave with one shot without missing any. Should ideally be done when the minionwave moves onto your half of your lane because it will likely push back.
- Other champions have a 'next hit'-skill or a low cd low cost single target spell. Usually, that is the Q skill. If two minions go low at the same time, autoattack one and nuke the other (Pantheon, Veigar or Annie would be good examples for that). Next-hit-attacks have an additional hidden benefit of making you attack immiediately, even if you just did an autoattack, without having to wait for your normal attack speed. That way you can 'save' a creepkill that went bad or kill a minion on purpose from about one third of its health.
- Keep in mind that minion kills are usually worth more over the course of the lane than any kills. Play accordingly. If you can make a kill, by all means take it. If you can harass the opponent without getting much out of position to lasthit, do it. But if you have to decide between lasthitting properly and chasing someone around that might actually not care about it, stick to lasthitting and not dying as a beginner.
- Try not to get zoned and if you can, zone your opponent. Zoning means getting the opponent low and then threatening to kill them if they come near. You as the zoner position yourself on his end of the minion wave and lasthit from there, and everytime he comes near and tries to get a kill or at least some xp, you chase him away, without committing to a towerdive or something reckless. If you get zoned yourself, weigh your options carefully - sometimes its better to just recall and fill up (and get a pot or two) and be on even standing again, sometimes you are fully outlaned and will not be able to make much of a dent even if full - try your best to harass and creepkill from afar and wait for the big wave to hit your tower, then farm them. Ask for jungle ganks if possible.
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